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"nswong" wrote: Hi Katra, I normally hate those things, but I'm also not afraid to just kill the rat when I find it in the glue trap so it won't suffer. I don't like to kill animal, so I just wrap rat with newspaper and throw it outside our fence to a bush, it will decompose to nothing left within two months. The glue on rat will stick it with the newspaper and make it unescapetable. I know this will make the rat suffer, but as long as I don't see it with my eye, it's OK for me. Think at it, most of my transplant are lost due to those rats, this make me feel less guilty. Rats here like to chew my transplant and even pull the transplant out from soil. Regards, Wong -- Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m I agree... The rats have made it difficult to transplant corn sprouts! :-P I usually just toss the trap into a bucket of water and walk away for 10 minutes or so. If I don't have to watch, I can handle it. When I catch rats by hand, I grab them by the tail and hit them hard against the nearest cinder block or tree, and that kills them. The other morning, I found two nests and managed to kill one adult female and 16 young rats that way. I watch carefully for nesting sites and clean them out about once every couple of weeks. K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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In article fc.003d094101c55e743b9aca00f3e59f55.1c55e86@pmug. org,
(Glenna Rose) wrote: writes: Hmmmm... I wonder if I can get PVC pipes big enough to slide rat traps into? That would protect my birds. PVC is available in just about any size you want. It's what is used for water lines in most areas, from 1/4-inch to several feet. Decide what size you want, then contact a plumbing supply store. If you have a United Pipe & Supply in your area, they will have it for certain. Thanks. :-) I'll check the local home stores first, then go from there. This does give me some ideas! The rats are getting seriously out of hand. :-( Nasty little beasts! Another source would be a utilities contractor; perhaps you could get a scrap or two. Trust me, they have bunches of scraps in various lengths and diameters (diameter depends on the particular job). You might even contact your local water department to get some ideas where to find some. Another use for PVC pipe scraps and joints (tees) is cat climbers though the tees and wyes in 8-inch or 10-inch size are rather expensive. The straight pipe isn't too bad for price, but scraps would be better if you can get them free. Glenna Hee! I have been putting in more cat furniture. I need to hit some construction sites for scraps. There is a local govt. contract recycler, and we got some burlap covered room dividers from him for $5.00 each. Giant scratching posts and climbers. Those are out on the sun porch and the cats are slowly destroying them, but it's well worth it for that price. :-) K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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In article fc.003d094101c55e873b9aca00f3e59f55.1c55e92@pmug. org,
(Glenna Rose) wrote: writes: Might be instinctive. :-) Owl decoys work very well for pest birds, and pigeons! Non-pest birds, also. LOL A friend who loves her birds put a very realistic owl in her garden to keep away pest birds. It was weeks before she realized why her song birds weren't coming to the feeders. Shortly after she removed the owl, her song birds returned to the feeders. Glenna Placement is important... :-) I breed pigeons for meat, so I don't want to scare off my breeding stock! G Owl decoys just go into the garden area, not anywhere near the gourd bird houses. I've been getting good occupation of those by house wrens, and those are death on garden bugs! K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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In article fc.003d094101c55e933b9aca00f3e59f55.1c55eb1@pmug. org,
(Glenna Rose) wrote: writes: Here the main spiders are black widow (both the passive and the leggy aggressive types) and brown recluse. Our big worry is whether we can get them all killed off before they take over, or eat us alive. My tenant got bit by one in her bed yesterday. One reason I keep atropine on hand is for spider bites. And if you're gone for 3 days, when you come back the house will be chock full of black widow webs, to the point that it looks like a movie spook house (no kidding). Hanging dichlorvos no-pest strips helps esp. with the black widows. Doesn't seem to bother the wolf spiders, either, tho we don't see many of those anyway. I wasn't aware there was more than one type of Black Widow spider. There is another that looks very much like a BW but does not have that true hourglass on the shiny black body. They are the ones that are more commonly in buildings and are not poisonous (except the "normal" spider venom that can cause blisters if they bite you). I've seen people (including my own son) refuse to go in sheds, etc., thinking they were BWs. BWs seem to prefer dark, moist places. Growing up in eastern Washington, I had to deal with them whenever I went into the pump house, scary stuff! However, that was the only place we ever saw them besides dirt cellars. They weren't ever in the garden which I always worried about when picking tomatoes (yes, fields full!) since that was dark and moist in those vines. Here in western Washington, BWs are not common but they are present. The Brown Recluse is more common and that is the one that scares me! BWs are not hiders but the BRs are, or so I understand it that way. I've not knowingly seen one, but they are very much on my mind when I see a brown spider I don't recognize. shiver Glenna They (brown recluse) are common around here... especially when I move furniture to clean the floors properly. ;-) They are milk chocolate brown, flat finish, not shiny, and with very pointed toes. Look on the cephalothorax (upper back) for a violin shaped marking. That is why they are also known as "violin spiders". K. (from Central Texas) -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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Hi Rez,
For many plants, especially trees (and roses really are a sort of small tree) that's true. Sometimes we fuss over them TOO much and perhaps get things out of balance, when leaving well enough alone would be better. I do believe helping a short term to give it time to develop the *skill?* to survive are OK, but not long term protection from me. If it does not cope with the environment for a given period, it's it choice to go, so let it go. I better spend my time on something else. Regards, Wong -- Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m |
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il Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:44 -0500, Katra ha scritto:
Hmmmm... I wonder if I can get PVC pipes big enough to slide rat traps into? That would protect my birds. Just remember to have enough room so the trap can flick it's arm (or whatevver it's called) -- Cheers, Loki [ Brevity is the soul of wit. W.Shakespeare ] |
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il Wed, 12 May 2004 00:43:14 -0500, Katra ha scritto:
I agree... The rats have made it difficult to transplant corn sprouts! :-P I usually just toss the trap into a bucket of water and walk away for 10 minutes or so. If I don't have to watch, I can handle it. When I catch rats by hand, I grab them by the tail and hit them hard against the nearest cinder block or tree, and that kills them. The other morning, I found two nests and managed to kill one adult female and 16 young rats that way. I watch carefully for nesting sites and clean them out about once every couple of weeks. Gee where do you guys live? I have yet to *see* a rat. Let alone need to kill one. yuck what a topic.... -- Cheers, Loki [ Brevity is the soul of wit. W.Shakespeare ] |
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"Loki" wrote: il Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:44 -0500, Katra ha scritto: Hmmmm... I wonder if I can get PVC pipes big enough to slide rat traps into? That would protect my birds. Just remember to have enough room so the trap can flick it's arm (or whatevver it's called) I know what you mean. :-) K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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"Loki" wrote: il Wed, 12 May 2004 00:43:14 -0500, Katra ha scritto: I agree... The rats have made it difficult to transplant corn sprouts! :-P I usually just toss the trap into a bucket of water and walk away for 10 minutes or so. If I don't have to watch, I can handle it. When I catch rats by hand, I grab them by the tail and hit them hard against the nearest cinder block or tree, and that kills them. The other morning, I found two nests and managed to kill one adult female and 16 young rats that way. I watch carefully for nesting sites and clean them out about once every couple of weeks. Gee where do you guys live? I have yet to *see* a rat. Let alone need to kill one. yuck what a topic.... Central Texas, suburbs... I have chickens, they are attracted to the grain feed. There is nothing I can do about that. I just have to find more efficient ways to kill the little SOB's. They are very prolific. K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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il Thu, 13 May 2004 01:48:59 -0500, Katra ha scritto:
Central Texas, suburbs... I have chickens, they are attracted to the grain feed. There is nothing I can do about that. I just have to find more efficient ways to kill the little SOB's. They are very prolific. I wonder if they make the pill for rats. Biocontrol. :-) -- Cheers, Loki [ Brevity is the soul of wit. W.Shakespeare ] |
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In article fc.003d094101c55e933b9aca00f3e59f55.1c55eb1@pmug. org, (Glenna Rose) wrote: writes: Here the main spiders are black widow (both the passive and the leggy aggressive types) and brown recluse. Our big worry is whether we can I wasn't aware there was more than one type of Black Widow spider. There I wasn't either, til I saw these. They are longer-legged, smaller bodied, run like the wind, and will jump right at you if disturbed. If it's the same species, wonder if it might be a variation induced by climate? Because I never saw this type in Montana, only in SoCal. is another that looks very much like a BW but does not have that true hourglass on the shiny black body. They are the ones that are more commonly in buildings and are not poisonous (except the "normal" spider All of these that I've examined (after a suitable squishing :) have a red or yellow hourglass on the belly. venom that can cause blisters if they bite you). I've seen people (including my own son) refuse to go in sheds, etc., thinking they were BWs. BWs seem to prefer dark, moist places. Growing up in eastern Washington, I had to deal with them whenever I went into the pump house, scary stuff! However, that was the only place we ever saw them besides Here they get into everything. They prefer the dark moist spots, and being under furniture, eaves, etc. but will web up just about any undisturbed spot in a matter of days, to the point of looking like a spook house. Under beehives is their favourite place in the whole wide world, as I can attest from several years working for a beekeeper :) Here in western Washington, BWs are not common but they are present. The They weren't common in Montana either -- you could count on finding some in certain window wells, but hardly ever anywhere else. Here, they're everywhere, and far less fussy about where they live! Brown Recluse is more common and that is the one that scares me! BWs are not hiders but the BRs are, or so I understand it that way. I've not knowingly seen one, but they are very much on my mind when I see a brown spider I don't recognize. shiver http://dermatology.cdlib.org/DOJvol5...l/recluse.html some good closeup photos. What we have are definitely brown recluse. We also get a lot of long-leggers that get into everything but are not aggressive, and are mostly just a nuisance because they'd much rather come in the house and eat each other than stay outdoors and eat bugs! OTOH, I've never seen a proper daddy-long-legger here (the kind that just run around and don't make webs, and shed their legs at a touch; I'm not sure they're actually a spider per se). Our long-legged spider is similar, but is not what I grew up calling a daddy-long-legger! ~REZ~ |
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In article , Katra wrote:
Owl decoys work very well for pest birds, and pigeons! We have two real live owls in residence, and they don't seem to discourage the starlings much! :( ~REZ~ |
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In article , Katra wrote:
Hmmmm... I wonder if I can get PVC pipes big enough to slide rat traps into? That would protect my birds. That sounds like a good idea. You might try the pinch traps for gophers with a bait that take some work to get (to make sure the trap is triggered), and put it inside a piece of 4" sewer pipe -- it's cheap, durable, yet easy to cut (try a heavy old serrated knife, the kind they advertise as being able to cut frozen stuff and tin cans). ~REZ~ |
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In article , Katra wrote:
Just remember to have enough room so the trap can flick it's arm (or whatevver it's called) I know what you mean. :-) That's why I mentioned the gopher traps, they don't need anywhere near as much room. ~REZ~ |
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That is why I have to be SO careful with poison baits. I use the bar bait and put it into suet cages so the rats cannot carry it off, and make sure it stays under cover with crumb control. Try a livetrap, baited with dog food (put the dog food into a glass jar with a metal lid with holes punched in it, so the rats can smell it real well but can't eat it), the kind that can catch several rats per load. The smell of rats attracts more rats, especially if one dies and the rest start eating it. (Same goes for mice.) You can get livetraps made of sheet metal which removes temptation from birds (since they can't see into it). Tomahawk Trap Co. might make some, not sure. I have some of their wire traps that I use for pest rabbits. ~REZ~ |
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The mice kept getting into stuff in our garage. After
getting a couple with a regular trap they got too smart and avoided them, so I tried a water trap and it worked very well. I used a 5 gallon bucket with a shallow pot saucer filled with seeds floating on the top of the water. We made a way for them to get to the top of the bucket and we kept the water at a level that was just a bit to deep for them to climb out. It worked very efficiently and a dead mouse in the bottom of the water did not keep others from trying. One day I found three of them dead in it. They just couldn't resist trying for that seed. We got rid of the whole family apparently, because I have not seen any for quite a while now. Linda Rez wrote: Can anyone tell me how to control rats without poisoning? Traps dont' work. Rats are too smart. Or get a Jack Russell terrier and don't feed it, so it has to hunt. They're good rat dogs and have no qualms about eating rats. :) I've considered that... Will they eat chickens? Most of the rats are in the henyard which is why they are here. Plenty of food. :-( Yeah, a dog will eat chickens too :( Cats generally leave chickens alone (at least after their first good pecking :) but don't seem to be much on killing rats. Rats can survive on just manure for food, but they'll eat about anything that doesn't eat them first. That is why a water trap would not work unless I dumped water containers every night. We do find them drowned in the emu's water buckets now and then! Rats are very curious and like to climb up into things, so even if there is other water around, they still get into buckets and drown (awww, so sad :) Also, dog food makes a great lure for rats and mice -- see if you can rig something where they can smell it and will fall into the water while trying to get to the dog food. ~REZ~ |
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"Loki" wrote: il Thu, 13 May 2004 01:48:59 -0500, Katra ha scritto: Central Texas, suburbs... I have chickens, they are attracted to the grain feed. There is nothing I can do about that. I just have to find more efficient ways to kill the little SOB's. They are very prolific. I wonder if they make the pill for rats. Biocontrol. :-) That would be nice... -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: Placement is important... :-) I breed pigeons for meat, so I don't want to scare off my breeding stock! G g When I keep pigeons (for dog training), every day when I feed them I sing "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" to remind them how lucky they are to be cage pigeons, and not park pigeons :) I've had one reach 14 years old!! ~REZ~ That's mean! lol I love my pigeons, and not just for lunch. Mine are free-range. K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: I usually just toss the trap into a bucket of water and walk away for 10 minutes or so. If I don't have to watch, I can handle it. LOL! Not me, I've had enough stuff destroyed by rats, mice, and rabbits, that it doesn't bother me one bit to watch 'em suffer :) cringe I hate rats, but I can't stand to watch any animal suffer... When I catch rats by hand, I grab them by the tail and hit them hard against the nearest cinder block or tree, and that kills them. Works for me :) Quick too. The other morning, I found two nests and managed to kill one adult female and 16 young rats that way. I watch carefully for nesting sites and clean them out about once every couple of weeks. Probably as good a control method as any. Keeping tabs on nesting areas is imperative! They mature quickly too, but I let a nest be used before I clear it out, so that way I can kill the babies rather than having them have them someplace I'd not be able to access. Fortunately where I am now, there don't seem to be any rats, tho there are mice in droves (they demolished my cauliflower, and those were BIG plants, almost 3 feet tall) and of course the Starving Attack Rabbits. I encourage "safe" snakes (tho I've got 14 rattlers in my trophy box, in just two years time!) and just picked up a couple feral cats who both have litters, hopefully enough kittens will not get eaten by owls to grow up and become good mousers. You can't grow cats fast enough around here... :( You are lucky! Tho beware of snakes around chickens, I have personally SEEN gopher snakes rob nests for eggs, and even fight the hen for the eggs! and snakes can CLIMB! ~REZ~ Texas rat snakes do that too. ;-) K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: Owl decoys work very well for pest birds, and pigeons! We have two real live owls in residence, and they don't seem to discourage the starlings much! :( ~REZ~ They sleep in the trees during the day. ;-) Owl decoys are out in the open, and you are supposed to make sure that they cast a shadow. That is how the local wildlife rescue folks told me to use them. K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: Hmmmm... I wonder if I can get PVC pipes big enough to slide rat traps into? That would protect my birds. That sounds like a good idea. You might try the pinch traps for gophers with a bait that take some work to get (to make sure the trap is triggered), and put it inside a piece of 4" sewer pipe -- it's cheap, durable, yet easy to cut (try a heavy old serrated knife, the kind they advertise as being able to cut frozen stuff and tin cans). ~REZ~ I'm going to have to look in to gopher traps... The rats have dug a series of tunnels under the rocks in the dog kennel. :-( I can't really get to them without tearing out the rocks and they will just all run away. I could put gopher traps at the entrances of the burrows! eg I never thought of that. Thanks! :-) Those are also less likely to catch pigeons if I choose to use them out in the open. K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: That is why I have to be SO careful with poison baits. I use the bar bait and put it into suet cages so the rats cannot carry it off, and make sure it stays under cover with crumb control. Try a livetrap, baited with dog food (put the dog food into a glass jar with a metal lid with holes punched in it, so the rats can smell it real well but can't eat it), the kind that can catch several rats per load. The smell of rats attracts more rats, especially if one dies and the rest start eating it. (Same goes for mice.) You can get livetraps made of sheet metal which removes temptation from birds (since they can't see into it). Tomahawk Trap Co. might make some, not sure. I have some of their wire traps that I use for pest rabbits. ~REZ~ Live traps don't work well for Norway rats... They are too smart. Been there, done that, caught a few youngsters but no adults. :-( K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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Yet another excellent idea... :-)
K. In article , Linda Barsalou wrote: The mice kept getting into stuff in our garage. After getting a couple with a regular trap they got too smart and avoided them, so I tried a water trap and it worked very well. I used a 5 gallon bucket with a shallow pot saucer filled with seeds floating on the top of the water. We made a way for them to get to the top of the bucket and we kept the water at a level that was just a bit to deep for them to climb out. It worked very efficiently and a dead mouse in the bottom of the water did not keep others from trying. One day I found three of them dead in it. They just couldn't resist trying for that seed. We got rid of the whole family apparently, because I have not seen any for quite a while now. Linda Rez wrote: Can anyone tell me how to control rats without poisoning? Traps dont' work. Rats are too smart. Or get a Jack Russell terrier and don't feed it, so it has to hunt. They're good rat dogs and have no qualms about eating rats. :) I've considered that... Will they eat chickens? Most of the rats are in the henyard which is why they are here. Plenty of food. :-( Yeah, a dog will eat chickens too :( Cats generally leave chickens alone (at least after their first good pecking :) but don't seem to be much on killing rats. Rats can survive on just manure for food, but they'll eat about anything that doesn't eat them first. That is why a water trap would not work unless I dumped water containers every night. We do find them drowned in the emu's water buckets now and then! Rats are very curious and like to climb up into things, so even if there is other water around, they still get into buckets and drown (awww, so sad :) Also, dog food makes a great lure for rats and mice -- see if you can rig something where they can smell it and will fall into the water while trying to get to the dog food. ~REZ~ -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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In article , Linda Barsalou wrote:
The mice kept getting into stuff in our garage. After getting a couple with a regular trap they got too smart and avoided them, so I tried a water trap and it worked very well. Another method I forgot about that works and will absolutely prevent escapes, is to take a 5 gallon bucket with a lid, fill it half to 2/3rds full of water, put a rat-sized hole in the lid, then smear peanut butter or molasses on the inside of the lid near the edge, so they have to really reach for it and lose their grip on the edge of the hole, thus fall in and drown. I probably drowned a couple hundred rats just in an open bucket one year, and it wasn't even the only water around, just somewhere curious rats liked to snoop in. Evidently they never get wise to it. ~REZ~ |
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In article . net, (Rez) wrote: g When I keep pigeons (for dog training), every day when I feed them I sing "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" to remind them how lucky they are to be cage pigeons, and not park pigeons :) I've had one reach 14 years old!! That's mean! lol Thank you :) I love my pigeons, and not just for lunch. Mine are free-range. I like pigeons, they're cool birds. We have a few dove here but no pigeons. I've thought about starting a colony, at least once I get the shop building closed off enough that they don't decide to live in there! Being lazy, I usually feed my pigeons and chickens (when I have 'em, none right now) dog food, same as the dogs eat. Aside from really good eggshells (yes, even tho they are thick, the chicks have no trouble getting out) the birds get so they won't eat regular bird food unless they're starving. In fact when I toss 'em grain, they'll get all excited the way birds do, rush over to the feed -- stop short and look at me like "What's this crap? What are you trying to push on us??!" ~REZ~ |
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In article , Katra wrote:
Live traps don't work well for Norway rats... They are too smart. Been there, done that, caught a few youngsters but no adults. :-( Norway rats are probably smarter than roof rats, which is what we had where I used to live. Roof rats are so bold they run around in packs in broad daylight. They're not very big tho, a little smaller than typical "pet rats". ~REZ~ |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Linda Barsalou wrote: The mice kept getting into stuff in our garage. After getting a couple with a regular trap they got too smart and avoided them, so I tried a water trap and it worked very well. Another method I forgot about that works and will absolutely prevent escapes, is to take a 5 gallon bucket with a lid, fill it half to 2/3rds full of water, put a rat-sized hole in the lid, then smear peanut butter or molasses on the inside of the lid near the edge, so they have to really reach for it and lose their grip on the edge of the hole, thus fall in and drown. I probably drowned a couple hundred rats just in an open bucket one year, and it wasn't even the only water around, just somewhere curious rats liked to snoop in. Evidently they never get wise to it. ~REZ~ Oh, I LIKE this! :-) I need to go and get some buckets with lids!!!!!! Thanks! K. (who is really going to try this one right away!) -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: In article . net, (Rez) wrote: g When I keep pigeons (for dog training), every day when I feed them I sing "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" to remind them how lucky they are to be cage pigeons, and not park pigeons :) I've had one reach 14 years old!! That's mean! lol Thank you :) snicker I love my pigeons, and not just for lunch. Mine are free-range. I like pigeons, they're cool birds. We have a few dove here but no pigeons. I've thought about starting a colony, at least once I get the shop building closed off enough that they don't decide to live in there! Yeah, they will nest anywhere that provides convenient shelving, and it can get rather poopy. Being lazy, I usually feed my pigeons and chickens (when I have 'em, none right now) dog food, same as the dogs eat. That sounds expensive! Sure won't hurt them tho'. Chicken and pigeon feed is about $7.00 for 50 lbs. Dog food is twice that... Most of my pigeons eat pretty much for free since they fly free, but they do gather around for the morning scratch feedings in the henyard. Aside from really good eggshells (yes, even tho they are thick, the chicks have no trouble getting out) the birds get so they won't eat regular bird food unless they're starving. In fact when I toss 'em grain, they'll get all excited the way birds do, rush over to the feed -- stop short and look at me like "What's this crap? What are you trying to push on us??!" Hee! ;-) I don't blame them. Dog food is higher in protien! K. ~REZ~ -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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(Rez) wrote: In article , Katra wrote: Live traps don't work well for Norway rats... They are too smart. Been there, done that, caught a few youngsters but no adults. :-( Norway rats are probably smarter than roof rats, which is what we had where I used to live. Roof rats are so bold they run around in packs in broad daylight. They're not very big tho, a little smaller than typical "pet rats". ~REZ~ These are as large or slightly larger than pet rats, and they are pretty smart and bold. Mostly nocturnal, they don't always run away right away when I find them, which is why I can hand-kill from time to time. I think they are catching on tho'. :-( It's been harder for me to capture them lately. K. -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... ,,Cat's Haven Hobby Farm,,Katraatcenturyteldotnet,, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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In article , Katra wrote:
In article . net, (Rez) wrote: I probably drowned a couple hundred rats just in an open bucket one year, and it wasn't even the only water around, just somewhere curious rats liked to snoop in. Evidently they never get wise to it. Oh, I LIKE this! :-) I need to go and get some buckets with lids!!!!!! K. (who is really going to try this one right away!) I never even bothered with the lid part, but if you have a need to bait 'em to the bucket, it makes a handy place to smear the bait! ~REZ~ |
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In article , Katra wrote:
In article . net, (Rez) wrote: I like pigeons, they're cool birds. We have a few dove here but no pigeons. I've thought about starting a colony, at least once I get the shop building closed off enough that they don't decide to live in there! Yeah, they will nest anywhere that provides convenient shelving, and it can get rather poopy. It already does with just sparrows nesting in there. Being lazy, I usually feed my pigeons and chickens (when I have 'em, none right now) dog food, same as the dogs eat. That sounds expensive! Sure won't hurt them tho'. Chicken and pigeon feed is about $7.00 for 50 lbs. Dog food is twice that... But they eat half as much of it, and they do better. My 14 year old pigeon was like a young bird and was fixin' to break the world record (18 yrs; lost him cuz one of the dogs got out and got into the cage :( and I had yard chickens that made it to 12 years old! Most of my pigeons eat pretty much for free since they fly free, but they do gather around for the morning scratch feedings in the henyard. Why turn down free meals? :) In fact when I toss 'em grain, they'll get all excited the way birds do, rush over to the feed -- stop short and look at me like "What's this crap? What are you trying to push on us??!" Hee! ;-) I don't blame them. Dog food is higher in protien! And apparently far more appealing! ~REZ~ |
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In article , Katra wrote:
Norway rats are probably smarter than roof rats, which is what we had where I used to live. Roof rats are so bold they run around in packs in broad daylight. They're not very big tho, a little smaller than typical "pet rats". These are as large or slightly larger than pet rats, and they are pretty smart and bold. Mostly nocturnal, they don't always run away right away when I find them, which is why I can hand-kill from time to time. I just heard of another type of rat killing device, it's like a bug zapper only for rodents; you put it in a piece of sewer pipe. Person who told me about it said it works really well, but didn't know where to get one. I think they are catching on tho'. :-( It's been harder for me to capture them lately. Problem is, when you can only catch the dumb ones, it lets the smart ones breed :( ~REZ~ |
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"Katra" wrote in message ... In article , "nswong" wrote: Hi Katra, I normally hate those things, but I'm also not afraid to just kill the rat when I find it in the glue trap so it won't suffer. I don't like to kill animal, so I just wrap rat with newspaper and throw it outside our fence to a bush, it will decompose to nothing left within two months. The glue on rat will stick it with the newspaper and make it unescapetable. I know this will make the rat suffer, but as long as I don't see it with my eye, it's OK for me. Think at it, most of my transplant are lost due to those rats, this make me feel less guilty. Rats here like to chew my transplant and even pull the transplant out from soil. Regards, Wong -- Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m I agree... The rats have made it difficult to transplant corn sprouts! :-P I usually just toss the trap into a bucket of water and walk away for 10 minutes or so. If I don't have to watch, I can handle it. When I catch rats by hand, I grab them by the tail and hit them hard against the nearest cinder block or tree, and that kills them. The other morning, I found two nests and managed to kill one adult female and 16 young rats that way. I watch carefully for nesting sites and clean them out about once every couple of weeks. K. If you want to do things by hand, one of those propane weed burners ought to do well -- and you won't have to touch the animal. Ray |
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